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Post Ep Dish - S5.11 - Shot Through the Heart
This one's going to be painfully, but hopefully there will be a light at the end of this long, dark tunnel for Peter and Neal and their dying friendship. However, like with the renewal, I'm now afraid to hope.
My apologies for the somewhat delayed and slightly truncated edition of this Dish...I'm too engaged in the episode to take notes as it's airing. I will need to do a complete rewatch to give a complete analysis.
Initial reactions:
A - From the promos, it seemed that Peter was extremely cold about "Rebecca's" betrayal (which was really hurting my heart), but I always forget how they tweak those - whether it's a carefully dropped line or a misleading reaction shot - nothing is quite what it seems.
B - Can I say that if all this turns out to be for the "twin" to the Hope Diamond, I'm going to be seriously pissed. How many times does the season mythology have to be about some precious treasure? Or maybe it will always be about treasure of some kind.
Okay - onto the episode.
1 - I honestly don't think I have anything negative to say about this episode. Nothing. The pacing was perfect, the characters (and the relationships between them) were definitely going in the right direction, and for once, they seemed to have gotten the geography right.
(Okay - I take that back. Rebecca's apartment was three blocks from where Siegel was shot. Siegel was shot a few blocks from where Neal met Hagen to hand over the chapter from the Codex. They make a big deal about how the apartment is out of Neal's radius. So how did he get to the place to deliver the Codex chapter without tripping his anklet?)
2 - It seemed that Neal wasn't going to be able to carry off his date with Rebecca - he looked nervous and unsteady. But it was interesting to see how he managed to use that - that he was worried about her, that he felt guilty about leaving her alone...and then the big reveal, that he "loved her". (Collars - do you think it was real or was he just telling himself that it was?)
(On a side note, I thought she might be bringing Neal a few cronuts.)
3 - The healing bromance. It was fascinating to see Peter start losing his anger, to see them working together to a common goal. Very much shades of early S2. This is the show I know and love.
4 - Rebecca's backstory. Or should we call her Rachel now? I was wondering how they were going to explain the how she managed to gather all that intel, but if she was MI-5, it makes perfect sense. MI-5 is the British equivalent of the NSA, and we know what the NSA does, right?
Do we believe her that she doesn't have a copy of the blackmail evidence?
Do we think she's actually batshit insane?
5 - Okay, another slight niggle with the story. You mean to tell me that the tech labs couldn't figure out a way to work around Rebecca/Rachel's alarm without setting it off? Didn't Mythbusters do a whole special on that? Well, I guess not if they wanted to show off Peter's smarts with the Chinese takeout menu.
And also - Neal getting "shot" - the scene with the ambulance, but Peter and Jones so nonchalant was perfection. And Neal being pissed off about his jacket. I have a feeling that this is foreshadowing something major for the finale. One can only hope.
6 - Speaking of Peter's smarts - I do love how he figured out where the gun was.
ladyrose42 suggested that the cement would have been corrosive, but I don't think so - because steel/iron rebar is placed in cement to stabilize it and give it tensile strength and having dealt with construction contracts, I can tell you that that iron rebar doesn't corrode. So, I don't think the gun would have been damaged, especially not so quickly.
Though I was disappointed that she was so careless to get a print on a bullet. Amateur!
7 - El and Peter are really going to DC??? Well, I guess if the series is ending, that would make for a nice way to end it. She's already got a job at the National Gallery! Resourceful Elizabeth is resourceful. And I do have to say that this is the Elizabeth I know and love - especially in that earlier scene with Peter.
Question - how many of you thought that El was about to tell Peter she was pregnant? I know I did, and I was actually a little sick at that. It's always been a special joy for me that these two mature adults don't feel the need to have children to complete their lives.
8 - Peter telling Neal about his promotion. This was done a lot better than was expecting. There were moments last week when I was thinking that Peter was no better than James. That he'd take off without telling Neal, and that would be that - shades of wee!Neal losing his daddy again.
And I'm glad (at least in the context of the angst from last week's ep) that he's giving Neal's keeping over to Jones.
9 - One more thought about Neal and Rachel/Rebecca - how perfect was that final scene with Neal getting the cuffs on her, her shooting them off and then escaping, just as Neal had planned. It was nice to see Neal having the upper hand there. Especially after the scene in R/R's apartment with all the self-loathing.
Lots and lots of other thoughts, but these are the big ones dominating my brain. On a scale of 1-10, I'd give this a very solid 9.825 (the Russian judge marked them down for the inconsistencies with the radius).
After four years of the Dish, you know the drill - let's share those thinky and not-so-thoughts. Only two episodes left for the season and possibly the series.
My apologies for the somewhat delayed and slightly truncated edition of this Dish...I'm too engaged in the episode to take notes as it's airing. I will need to do a complete rewatch to give a complete analysis.
Initial reactions:
A - From the promos, it seemed that Peter was extremely cold about "Rebecca's" betrayal (which was really hurting my heart), but I always forget how they tweak those - whether it's a carefully dropped line or a misleading reaction shot - nothing is quite what it seems.
B - Can I say that if all this turns out to be for the "twin" to the Hope Diamond, I'm going to be seriously pissed. How many times does the season mythology have to be about some precious treasure? Or maybe it will always be about treasure of some kind.
Okay - onto the episode.
1 - I honestly don't think I have anything negative to say about this episode. Nothing. The pacing was perfect, the characters (and the relationships between them) were definitely going in the right direction, and for once, they seemed to have gotten the geography right.
(Okay - I take that back. Rebecca's apartment was three blocks from where Siegel was shot. Siegel was shot a few blocks from where Neal met Hagen to hand over the chapter from the Codex. They make a big deal about how the apartment is out of Neal's radius. So how did he get to the place to deliver the Codex chapter without tripping his anklet?)
2 - It seemed that Neal wasn't going to be able to carry off his date with Rebecca - he looked nervous and unsteady. But it was interesting to see how he managed to use that - that he was worried about her, that he felt guilty about leaving her alone...and then the big reveal, that he "loved her". (Collars - do you think it was real or was he just telling himself that it was?)
(On a side note, I thought she might be bringing Neal a few cronuts.)
3 - The healing bromance. It was fascinating to see Peter start losing his anger, to see them working together to a common goal. Very much shades of early S2. This is the show I know and love.
4 - Rebecca's backstory. Or should we call her Rachel now? I was wondering how they were going to explain the how she managed to gather all that intel, but if she was MI-5, it makes perfect sense. MI-5 is the British equivalent of the NSA, and we know what the NSA does, right?
Do we believe her that she doesn't have a copy of the blackmail evidence?
Do we think she's actually batshit insane?
5 - Okay, another slight niggle with the story. You mean to tell me that the tech labs couldn't figure out a way to work around Rebecca/Rachel's alarm without setting it off? Didn't Mythbusters do a whole special on that? Well, I guess not if they wanted to show off Peter's smarts with the Chinese takeout menu.
And also - Neal getting "shot" - the scene with the ambulance, but Peter and Jones so nonchalant was perfection. And Neal being pissed off about his jacket. I have a feeling that this is foreshadowing something major for the finale. One can only hope.
6 - Speaking of Peter's smarts - I do love how he figured out where the gun was.
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Though I was disappointed that she was so careless to get a print on a bullet. Amateur!
7 - El and Peter are really going to DC??? Well, I guess if the series is ending, that would make for a nice way to end it. She's already got a job at the National Gallery! Resourceful Elizabeth is resourceful. And I do have to say that this is the Elizabeth I know and love - especially in that earlier scene with Peter.
Question - how many of you thought that El was about to tell Peter she was pregnant? I know I did, and I was actually a little sick at that. It's always been a special joy for me that these two mature adults don't feel the need to have children to complete their lives.
8 - Peter telling Neal about his promotion. This was done a lot better than was expecting. There were moments last week when I was thinking that Peter was no better than James. That he'd take off without telling Neal, and that would be that - shades of wee!Neal losing his daddy again.
And I'm glad (at least in the context of the angst from last week's ep) that he's giving Neal's keeping over to Jones.
9 - One more thought about Neal and Rachel/Rebecca - how perfect was that final scene with Neal getting the cuffs on her, her shooting them off and then escaping, just as Neal had planned. It was nice to see Neal having the upper hand there. Especially after the scene in R/R's apartment with all the self-loathing.
Lots and lots of other thoughts, but these are the big ones dominating my brain. On a scale of 1-10, I'd give this a very solid 9.825 (the Russian judge marked them down for the inconsistencies with the radius).
After four years of the Dish, you know the drill - let's share those thinky and not-so-thoughts. Only two episodes left for the season and possibly the series.
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There is also the little fact that USA first needs something to put in all the empty spots before they give up on what they have.
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I can't agree about the relationship between Peter and Neal healing yet, because Peter is still being sanctimonious, and has failed to show any remorse for the absolutely reprehensible way he's been acting. I still have zero respect for that character at the moment. And I think it was very telling that, while Peter was acting like things were somehow warmer and better between them, Neal didn't thaw.Peter didn't notice, because Peter's being almost terminally dense. Right now, I truly think he's given up where Peter is concerned.
I was surprised, nonetheless, that they didn't show Peter having any kind of reaction at all when he asked Neal how he knew Rebecca/Rachel wouldn't shoot him, and Neal just shrugged. Really? The semi-suicidal impulse evokes no alarm? At all?
My theory, which started last week and I'm feeling even more confident about now, is that Peter is going to find something in that file on Neal's childhood that's going to upend his comfy belief that Neal became a criminal because it was shiny and easy, and is going to end up eating his smug "a life of lies catches up to you" comment.
Something bad's coming. Rachel's is one scary, dangerous person, and I don't think she's out of the game for the season.
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I don't agree with your assessment of Peter. I don't like the way he's behaving (because I am so invested in the relationship) but I understand it. I'm going to reserve my comments on that subject until after the season ends, because I'm building a meta in my head and it's still in the formative stages.
I wonder about Neal's childhood file - that seems like both a throwaway line and something portentous.
I definitely don't think we've seen the last of R/R - at least I hope not.
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Then again, I could be completely wrong. IDK.
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But your point is very plausible - that wasn't a Freudian slip or a simple misstatement, Willie was pretty damn specific and detailed. He could have said, "Of course, there's White Collar - we're still in negotiations for renewal. When that happens, filming will start ..."
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I only just now watched this episode (Monday morning). I loved it too! Also had the "pregnant" thought when El said she had something to tell Peter, but then realized she was holding a glass of champagne as if she were fully intending to drink it. Whew!
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Points to ponder:
What happened to El's business. How lucky is she that she can get a job inDC that easily?.
Why is Neal only ever superficially hurt? Give me whump people!
Yes I thought el would say she was pregnant. I cringed. Yuck I did not want that (psst some people don't have kids to make their lives complete. I know my life was complete without my dragons, I consider them the extra bonus round!)
Rebecca is creepy and I love it, depending on how this plays out it might change my rev bb villain!
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Creepy Rebecca is creepy - and that she actually seemed to have real feelings for Neal was even creepier!
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I'm sure she wants the diamond, but she wanted Neal too.
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I agree with you - she is Pygmalion to her own Galetea.
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The only beef I had with the story was Rachel falling for Neal and actually letting it ruin her plans. I'm not saying cons don't have feelings, but for someone as experienced as she is, it was a little ridiculous to risk it all for a little girls crush. In reality she would have shot Neal in the church, or better, used him as a hostage to escape.
I thought we were in for some delicious Neal whump when he got shot. Can't say I wasn't disappointed. They owe us Neal whump before the season ends.
Totally thought El was going to say she was preggers and, like you, totally cringed inside. As someone who doesn't have children, and never thinks her life is incomplete without them, I completely agree with the positive image this childless couple projects. I'm hoping they keep it this way and don't fall for the tiresome trope of every happy couple having a nursery in their home.
Despite the friendship repair job in this episode I'm still pissed at Peter hammering Neal's criminal activity over his head. It's like he's daft, doesn't realize his life would never have ended where it did, with him and El celebrating his promotion with Champagne, if it weren't for Neal. If he doesn't think he should be grateful to him the least he could do is stop being an ass to him.
Speaking of the celebration, I absolutely despise how nonchalant Peter and El are about leaving NY and Neal behind. I'm not saying they should hang their happiness up for him. But the way his absence from their lives, after being such an integral part of it for so long, seems a non-issue to them feels so cold and stupid. Why is JE ruining the emotional core of his own show? Why did we, the audience, have to care about the relationship between this couple and their pet con when they themselves don't seem to give a damn? I must say I'm disappointed, and if the show gets in fact renewed I want the reason for P+E not going to DC to have to do with Neal.
Once again, thanks for the dish.
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It gave me emotional Neal whump (and sadly, a lack of real physical whump...couldn't she have aimed just a wee bit better?). It gave me Peter and Neal slowly reconciling somewhat, and working together as a team again. It gave me awesome!conflicted!conman!Neal in all his glory (Matt acted the living daylights out of these scenes!). Hell, it gave me Neal in his leather jacket. I'm sold. *g*
What I still don't get is the motivation. Are we supposed to believe that WhatsHerName pulled this elaborate con, finding a way to use Neal and Hagen, fool paranoid!to!the!extreme!Moz and set everything up like this...for the twin of the Hope Diamond? How did she even know about the treasure being the diamond? For that, she must've figured out the Codex before sending her band of merry conmen on a wild goose chase. No makey sensey. *handwaves*
Yes, I also thought El would tell Peter she's pregnant, and I CRINGED. Thank goodness it was the new job instead. Though it confuses me a little how enthusiastic El is about this. I mean, yay, hubby moves up the greasy pole. Yay, new opportunities! Yay, no more kidnappings or being shot at or ending up in car accidents. But what about her own business? Up and leaving within 2 weeks?! Maybe it's because I'm European and Americans tend to move around a lot more and set up camp thousands of miles from home time and again, but this seemed a bit odd to me (given the character). *shrugs*
I did like that she asked/was worried about/felt for Neal.
I loved Moz and his impromptu dinner-on-the-floor with Neal. Oh Moz. ♥
BTW, hon, it's only one ep left this season, not two. (WOE!)
And I'm hoping for something really tragic to keep us on the edge of our seat. I mean, Diana will be back! \o/ Maybe Neal will get shot (WTF was he talking about, he wants his sentence over? How's that supposed to work?) Maybe El gets Elnapped again as leverage. Maybe the Burkes move to DC only to find out it was a dirty trick by Bruce. (Jones was the mastermind behind everything! I knew it all along! He hired Rebecca to set this whole thing up while blackmailing Bruce to move Peter to DC! He's had his eyes on Peter's/Hughes' job from the get-go! *g*)
Maybe Peter sits down one rainy Sunday afternoon in DC and reads Neal's childhood file and realizes he's actually fathered the guy with that one sperm donation he did when he needed extra cash for that trip to Mexico as 16-year-old (he looked older and had an awesome fake ID). He's then glad that he never boffed his pet con because, ya know, eww? But hmm...the thought of Neal and El together kinda turns him on even more now. (Not to mention that El loves the idea of shagging father and son.)
Okay, I'll stop now. *slinks away*
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P.S. Sorry if this comment shows up twice. I posted it w/out being logged in, and then it didn't seem to show up, but IDK if the 1st version will appear later. :-)
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I mean, that means one more ep than I was looking forward to, so \o/. But it still felt kind of like leading up directly to the finale, this last ep. Weird.
But yay, two more eps! :D
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I swear, I shouldn't be allowed near the internet without my morning coffee.
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And don't you know, Mozzie is behind EVERYTHING. Everything!
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Also? Mozzie is always behind everything! The Dentist Strikes Again!!!
Wouldn't that be a fun AU for this season to write? LOL!
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But, he's more than just hinted at not enjoying the paperwork or the being off the streets bit. And, as section chief he will never leave his office except to go to interdepartmental meetings. Bleh!
I also think part of him thinks that this is what El would want, to keep him off the streets and safe from harm.
And, I know it's a minor point, but no way, no how did she get a job at the National Gallery. She doesn't even come close to having the credentials. Assistant Manager at a NY gallery a decade ago, even a high profile one is not the right resume. Unless she got a job managing their catering facilities. Then maybe. And, what about Burke Premier Events???
Done with ranting now.
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I love the excitement, the danger and Peter and Neal being like 100% together in this ep solving this Rebecca-case.
Peter's tone towards Neal has changed and I find it amusing that he saw that the girl really is in love with Neal, as well. Didn't know that Peter has a radar for that being himself a dork when it comes to flirting or dating.
Peter and El moving to DC, really???? There must be something holding them back because they didn't look happy at all when they toasted. And I love El for always asking about Neal lately. I can't wait to see this cliffhanger but not wthout knowing that the show will be back. It hurts alot not to know.
I don't know if you saw the promo for next week so I won't say anything.
I like dangerous Rebecca much more then Hagen, Keller or Adler. And the love-thing makes it all more exciting.
So, now that ehe was MI5 deletes my suspicion that there must be someone working with her, like Kramer. I thought he is the mastermind behind this all but it's obviously not.
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Matt's acting in this was amazing and I loved the writing. Wow, that dialog and the way the two con people were coning each other , I didn't know whether to laugh or cry and was doing both. Neal's heart was just breaking with every word. That love declaration was real, just to the woman that didn't exist.
Okay, as to the Washington, DC thing, it's all going to blow up in their faces. Remember, Greek tragedy, every single time Neal's dream is in his grasp, poof, or BANG. Well, it's Peter's turn. Something's going to happen.
I'm going to say it, I think Rachel is going to either shoot Peter or Neal, seriously.
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Am I slightly right if I think they will only tell about season 6 after the cliffy? So that it will be more mysterious or heart wrenching? Could all be on purpose.
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they could have ended the show with Peter going to DC (which he is atm?) and Neal's sentence being over and him choosing what he wants finally..
but that is not happening by seeing the promo
Plus there's Rebecca..she reminds me of Hannah from Dexter(which is creepy enough)..I have a feeling her storyline might not be ending with this season
but what i need to know how did she know about the diamond and why exactly she wants it
Pace of the episode was good..i loved Mozzie and Neal scenes
and as for Peter-El being overjoyed about moving is the fact i think that they always needed a break from NYC and Neal.but the thing is they wont be happy there even if they go(Seeing their hesitation while toasting)
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So, first off, Matt Bomer deserves some serious props for his acting in this episode. Serious, serious, serious props. IMHO all of the actors upped the stakes this season but Matt's performances as of late have been beyond words. As a fan of Traveler from way back when, it is so so so so exciting to see him excel so much in this role this season! ::gets off soapbox::
I loved this episode. It had emotional whump (come on, though, really, the man has dodged just about every pysical weapon someone could direct his way throughout the course of this series, just a mere cut would have been enough if I could see some canon Peter concern over it).
The scene after they captured Rebecca/Rachel, when Peter asked Neal how he knew she wouldn't have shot him, was stellar. That moment, even though I wish we would have gotten just a glimpse more of Peter being worried about Neal's irrational disregard for his life, was quite possibly one of the most emotional and one of my favorite for Neal's character. Initially, before I saw next week's promo/rest of this episode, I thought in that moment that this must have been what the writers were thinking when they had Neal tell Peter conmen had to "hit rock bottom before you can change" in Scott Free. However, with Neal's still present interest in finding this diamond, maybe I was wrong.
I think what I loved most about this episode was that it can move forward either way. Initially, when I was first getting edgy about the lack of a renewal, I was angry because I thought that we wouldn't get a closure in a series finale because it seemed like they were building something too big to resolve in the time that was left. This episode changed my opinion of that. I can easily see them taking this current arc for another season, keeping up with the excitement (and hopefully Neal and Peter's friendship!). But I can also see them closing this season in a way that would satisfy the fan's clear thirst for the bromance they have created if for some reason we don't get a renewal. Tie all of the loose ends from seasons past? Maybe not. But heal the bromance? IMO, I think so. I just hope that they knew which way they were headed before they filmed it, so we don't end up with something open ended and get no conclusion (like in Traveler, not that I am still bitter...). ::continues to picket for renewal::
Other amazing things about this episode: Rebecca. I love her and I hate her all at the same time. I feel that she is a better villain than any other on this show and a great antithesis for Neal - so similar yet altogether so very, very different. Mozzie's dinner on the floor, so incredibly cute. The random Peter one-line banters toward Neal, which I think shows that his anger is slowly dissipating. And last but not least, Elizabeth in all her amazingness.
Things that still confuse me include Bruce (I cringed when Peter sent Elizabeth to him for protection), El's quick job offer, the lack of Satchmo, and how Hagen and Rebecca even met in the first place. Hmm...
Thank you for reading if you've made it this far, and thank you again for posting these each week!
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Me, too!!! I want this to be more then just about money. I loved that for Hagen it was definitely about revenge. He didn't seem to care at all that the Codex was toast.
So far it looks like Hagen was her only accomplice. Will we see if she had other help?
Yes!!! : ) I have always wanted Neal to have an obsessed fan who believed he was in "love" with her or was out for "revenge" for breaking her heart. This is even better. : )
For a moment I thought El was going to say she was pregnant and that would have been terrible. I love that they don't have children. I want to watch a show about Adults.
What is getting me is that Peter still doesn't know the whole truth especially that Neal stole the codex right under Siegel's nose.
This move to DC is all too convenient and happening too fast. At the beginning of last week's ep, Bruce (when talking to Peter about the DC job)said "the higher ups took some convincing". Now El has the ideal job in DC!!! Something is definitely fishy.
I am disappointed that Siegel's murder was solved. I just feel there has to be more to his story then he moved to NYC to be Neal's handler and then got murdered.
As for renewal, I am not worrying about it. I am choosing to live in the moment & think positive thoughts.
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Maybe we will get some flashbacks with him.
WC has pulled some crazy stunts in the past so why not have Siegel fake his death. Boy what a con that would be. ; )
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Literally the only complaint I have with this ep is that Neal wasn't a tiny bit more shot. But fanfic exists to add the h/c ;D
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There isn't anything worse than a woman scorned and when she comes for Neal she's gonna come hard. I just hope Peter will be there to protect him. I don't think Neal was in love with her yet but I think of his fake confession as a swan song to what would have eventually been the truth. Can Neal really just demand to be let out of his anklet? How does that work. These years have been dragging by though. I don't even know how much time he logged being shackled. I could have birthed, raised a child, and paid for their college education and wedding in the time Neal's been on that thing. The Burke's moving to DC seems to portend the end of the series. I mean I know we have to suspend belief in White Collar land a lot of times, and as awesome as Neal is, who in the real world would torpedo a promising career to stay and be a CI's handler for another year? It just doesn't seem plausible. But in TV Land in general characters have done crazier things for no reason at all except to move the story forward.
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